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  1. Larkrise Says:

    Maybe all those tornadoes have rattled their brains. Any state that would elect Inhofe has to be full of cousins marrying cousins. They probably dont understand separtation of Church and State because they cannot spell separation. If the ACLU doesnt file a lawsuit against the above-listed insanity, they need to fold up their tent. It is barbaric, disgusting and vile. The new State Motto should be:”Keep ‘em barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.” Women must be viewed as chattel in Oklahoma, with no rights to privacy, personal dignity, or freedom of choice to make decisions regarding their own bodies. Servitude lives and breathes free in Oklahoma.

  2. alwayshope Says:

    I used to have such mixed feelings about this subject. I was opposed to abortion until I realized that the nuts wanted to criminalize it and the poor women who were forced to make that awful choice. It is clear now that they will use any means necessary to take that choice away. So, for me, it has become, not a personal choice but a women’s rights issue. Even though my feelings were strongly against it, I couldn’t be a part of the pro-life movement because it offered criminalization as a solution. Also, I couldn’t believe the pro-lifers had no problem with the death penalty or war. It is a narrow, self-righteous view that didn’t make sense to me. This act by Oklahoma to shame and even endanger the lives of women who had to make this choice is unbelievably cruel and stupid. As larkrise points out, these nuts have also chosen Inhofe as their representative. An idiot in denial of all things scientific. When I read that he was going to the summit on climate change to explain to the scientists gathered there that global climate change is a hoax, I thought it would be an embarrassment for Oklahoma.
    Ha! They don’t need help from him to prove they are ignorant and backward.

  3. alwayshope Says:

    Congratulations, President Obama!
    Nobel Peace prize!

  4. concerned Says:

    Definitely about women, definitely needs the ACLU fast, definitely sad. Sigh…

  5. Simon Jester Says:

    Wouldn’t releasing this information publicly also be a violation of the Federal HIPAA law? If a husband is not permitted to know where his mother-in-law moved his wife for care, and the next person in line at the pharmacy has to stay back for the privacy of the person picking up a prescription, then how can the same law permit the world to know who has had a given medical procedure?

  6. alwayshope Says:

    I just wrote a thank you letter to Senator Lugar. This is a VERY rare thing for me as I disagree with him on almost everything. However, he voted in favor of Al Franken’s amendment to stop Halliburton and KBR from requiring employees to sign an arbitration agreement that bans them from suing the contractors for any harm done to them. A 19 year old women working for KBR was gang raped, when she reported the crime, she was locked in a shipping container under armed guard. Although the doctor took a rape kit, it “disappeared”. One of her guards let her use his phone to call her Dad and he got her home. She then discovered that she had no right to justice because of the fine print in her contract. Franken’s admt. fixed this insanity but 30 senators, all Rethuglicants, opposed it.
    Steve, I noticved that both of your senators opposed it….. depressing. I hope you gave them an earful!
    If that unknown soldier hadn’t helped her call home, I shudder to think what might have happened to her. What kind of person votes to continue a practice that endangers young women, that allows such violence to be committed on them and gives them no protection or recourse? The answer is …the usual suspects. Cornyn, Ensign, McCain, McConnell, Graham, Vitter, Roberts, Shelby, Chambliss… get the picture. These guys are unbelievable! Both of my senators voted for it so I thanked them. I also sent a few letters to the aholes who supported KBR and ask them to explain to me their logic and motivation in that action. I doubt I’ll hear from any of them
    but they need to hear from us. They need to explain their vote.
    Steve, I’d like to hear if either of your senators have an explanation.

  7. alwayshope Says:

    Hey Chuck!
    In case you do a fly by …..did you read tomdispatch …I think today. Anyway, the one titled “Drone Race to a Known Future”"?
    Holy crap!!!!!#@%$&$$$
    I really don’t want to think about that future. This world is getting crazier every day. Is the insanity just beginning? Everyday I read something more moronic and dastardly than the day before.

    Where are we going and what are we doing in this handbasket?
    (Jim Hightower)

  8. Larkrise Says:

    I like Obama less and less every day. Now, he is going to escalate the War in Afghanistan. He is going to allow drilling in the Arctic. His nominees for various posts in his adm. are heavy on corporate lobbyists, one of whom lobbied to experiment with pesticides on children!!! If there is one type of person who disgusts me most, it is a hypocrite. Change? How about Chump Change! I will be sitting on my hands in 2012. We need a Third Party really badly. Obama is just another self-serving politician. Phew!

  9. Chuck Says:

    Yes hope I did read him, & my reaction was much the same as yours. That’s why I call him Cheney/Bush-not-so-light.

  10. Chuck Says:

    Along the same line as I wrote above, read the article in “The Nation” magazine of Nov. 30th by Jonathan Schell.

  11. alwayshope Says:

    I just read that column by Schell. Good points. When he writes,

    “It was fear of the right wing.” What is the source of this raw power, this right-wing veto over presidents, Congresses and public opinion? The person who can answer these questions will have discovered one of the keys to a half-century of American history–and the forces that, even now, bear down on Obama as he considers what to do in Afghanistan.”

    That question plagues me too. Why do they get away with challenging the patriotism of anyone who isn’t a warmonger? How is it that the crazy right wingers OWN patriotism and yet they are the draft-dodging chickenhawks and the selfish morons who brought down our economy? They have been wrong over and over again and yet still claim to have all the answers and vehemently refuse to listen to anyone else. We send thousands of our sons and daughters to kill and die because we are afraid they will call us names!!!?
    Are you kidding? They are doing that already and will no matter what. Why DO we fear them so much? Perhaps it their ruthlessness. They thrive on conflict, on war, on hate and fear and greed. They have learned well the tools of control and through propaganda and indoctrination have greatly succeeded in turning us from citizens into consumers, from curious about about the world to afraid of it, from leaders for human rights to vengeful torturers. I don’t know how to fight ruthlessness but I know cowering in the face of it isn’t the answer, it only emboldens them. I agree with Schell, Obama needs to stand up to the wingers and let them call him names and scream in fear all they want. Maybe while they’re freaking out about the end of their wonderfully profitable wars, the American people will be cheering to see an end to this disasterous misadventure.

  12. alwayshope Says:

    I get your frustration with Obama. I don’t like the people he has chosen to solve our problems either. Many of them had a big hand in creating them. I don’t know how to deal with something as completely corrupt as Congress.
    The job we have asked him to do is a dangerous one and when I see the wingers with their hateful signs and hear them openly wishing him harm, it makes me sick. He may not yet be the man we hoped would put a stop to the insanity of the last decade but he’s so much better than the alternative.
    Our biggest problem is a worthless Congress. Some of them, like Bachmann are quite insane, others, like Sessions are morons, but most are simply so greedy and morally deficient that selling their votes is just S.O.P.
    The saddest thing is that the GOP has compelled their party to march in lockstep, like mindless robots, and thereby fobidding any new ideas or hope of compromise on anything. It’s so UnAmerican to behave that way. They adore a rogue maverick as long as she is marching in lockstep and is rogue in name only and not at all mavericky. They attack mercilessly any of their own who stray from their one-way street to NOwhere. As a result, Congress is paralyzed and absolutely useless. President Obama can’t do anything with them and he can’t do anything wthout them. We’ve handed him a bloody sword with a broken handle and a dull blade and told him to win two wars and then turn it into gold and do all that while half of the country roots against you and all of the Republicans stand in your way.
    He needs to learn that he can never please the wingers no matter how much he compromises, no matter how many times he reaches out. They want only his defeat, at any cost. Working with them does nothing to keep them from working against him. It’s time for the drama, enough with cool hand, don’t rock boat crap. He needs to stand up to the bullies, defy the blackmailers on Wall St. and call the bluff of the blowhards in the Congress. He needs to take that sword and go after the master craftsmen in Congress who forged it out of their own greed and hubris. He needs to kick some butt in that place and on wall st. If he did that, he would make even the GOP base a little bit happy in spite of their spiteful selves.

  13. Chuck Says:

    Even though Cheney/Bush-not-so-lite Obama speakes better than his predecessor, I still don’t belive 1/2 of what he says.

  14. Larkrise Says:

    Alwayshope, I agree that Congress is corrupt on both sides of the aisle with a few exceptions, but far too few. The Republican Party has become the repository of hatemongers, Fat Cats, crooks, liars, bigots and nutcases. I like and admire Obama, the man. I respect the symbol he is for African Americans and for giving them a sense of validation. That has been extremely positive. I like the fact that he has rejuvenated our image in the world. But, he is making a huge mistake with Afghanistan, and he will lose the gains he has made. As a President, I like Barack Obama less and less. It is not just Afghanistan, it is a whole series of actions that disappoint me greatly. I had hoped for so much more. If health care reform ends up being all smoke and mirrors, I will not be working for his re-election in 2012. He has broken his promises to his base. There have been other Presidents who were worse, but Barack Obama has broken my heart.

  15. alwayshope Says:

    I completely understand “Barack Obama has broken my heart”. I think the feeling of betrayal is especially deep when someone we had put trust in shocks us by hypocritical behavior. I just boil when I see Colin Powell or Joe Lieberman. I get mad at myself for being deceived and feel like a fool. Obama doesn’t have the passion I wanted and needed. The single biggest failure we have is our Congress and Obama came from that disfunctional, corrupt body of sell-outs. Congress thinks nothing of going against the will of the people and doing what is best for their portfolios and political lives. Our lives are unimportant to them. Their rhetoric which always includes a bone to populism is so stale and disingenuous that it is obvious to all but their base that they don’t believe what they are saying. John McCain (another betrayer who I may have mentioned before, I don’t like) uses the same phrases so many times that they are tired even to him, his voice oftens trails off as he finishes for the thousandth time ‘emboldens the enemy”. The faces of the GOP are full of hate and deceit and many are just plain insane. Obama has chosen to ignore the crazies which only makes them crazier. When he decided to keep Gates, I knew we would continue the Bush Doctrine and I knew he had given power to a mole whose loyalty to the Bush family and Republican Party would always trump his loyalty to America and to Obama.
    Robert Parry has a good column on Gates: “How the Warhawks Caged Obama”
    The people he has chosen to listen to cause me great disappointment and leave me with little hope of REAL change. If he continues to encourage incremental policies and watered-down legislation then his presidency will be defined as piecemeal and half-hearted. It’s a damn shame too because he has so much to draw on right now. He could easily say to us,

    “The Republicans and their loyalists at Fox and in congress have been wrong consistently, about Iraq, about the economy, about education and healthcare. It’s time to stop reenacting policies that have proven to be a failure. It time to stop wishing for the good old days of tax cuts for the wealthy and unregulated greed, They had 8 years to play out their unfunded tax-cutting, perpetual war, free market trickle-down, greed is good, corporate-run-government ideology and it proved to be a complete and utter failure. Now it’s our turn. Our policies, our fresh ideas deserve to be heard and implemented. The single greatest ditherers in the world, Congress, have managed to avoid the tough decisions for too long. The time is now. The fat cats should worry, corporate welfare kings should prepare to share the burden they have successfully dodged for decades. Justice and equality are coming back in fashion, truth will be spoken without fear of recrimination.
    And so, to all the pundits and birthers and baggers out there, it’s time for you to drink a big old glass of shut-the-f*ck-up!”

    That’s the speech that would make me happy but we aren’t going to hear it.
    Nevertheless, I remain hopeful that one little incremental change may cause a landslide of change and Americans will embrace the possibilities of a new approach.

  16. alwayshope Says:

    I want you to remain a skeptic, it suits you. But don’t become a cynic.
    Cynic=defeatist and I know you aren’t someone who would give up without ever trying. You read too much, you care too deeply to convince me that you believe all is lost.

    Here’s a story you’ll like.
    I went for a drive with a friend the other day, a beautiful sunny day. After we left, I realized I had forgotten to bring my camera and reminded my friend of the old SNL skit where the couple goes on vacation, forgets the camera and then decide , oh well, let’s just go on without it. As they are driving down the road, sasquatch runs out in front of them and stops in front of their car posing, then futher down the road, a flying sucer comes into view and hovers above their car. If only we had our camera, they complain. We just laughed and moments later I spotted an osprey sitting atop a telephone pole. We stopped and he cocked his head and looked down at us as if posing for me. As we drove on, he flew to the next pole and repeated the pose, speading his wings this time for effect, I guess. He did this 7 more times! He then made a final swoop down passing low and I’m not sure but I think he was laughing. By that time so were we.

  17. richl Says:

    I have my own bone to pick with Obama, still I would be curious to know just what you expected him to do in regards to health care and or the war. He is after all a president not a dictator and as such has to wheedle and kiss ass and pass out favors to get his way the same as any other elected official dealing with a consensus based club.

  18. Larkrise Says:

    If I wanted a President who carried on politics as usual, I would have voted for John McCain. I was promised CHANGE and given HOPE. I have lost hope and change is withering on the vine. As for health care, Obama should have been more passionate, more vocal, more assertive. He has made one speech. As for the war, I had hoped, once he took office, he would change his mind about Afghanistan. No luck there. He has caved in to the Generals and the Defense Industry. If you want to know what he could have done about Afghanistan, read Tom Hayden’s article in the Nation, Dec. 1st, 2009. Escalating a war is hardly the same as kissing ass and passing out favors. It means death, destruction and billions of more dollars. Sorry, richl, I have to agree to disagree. Sometimes, it is something smaller that really points to a person’s moral compass or true character. I received an action alert from the Center for Biological Diversity. It turns out that not only does Obama NOT wish to preserve endangered species, his record is worse than Bush’s. He has authorized shooting wolves from helicopters. This sickens and disgusts me. The poor animals dont have a fighting chance to survive. They can be wounded and die a long and painful death. When anyone supports such actions, they are lacking in compassion, in morality, and in character. I will NEVER support or respect such a person. They are fundamentally lacking in their conscience and soul.

  19. Chuck Says:

    It seems like we’ve undergone a slow military coup.

  20. alwayshope Says:

    I can’t find where Obama authorized the shooting of wolves. I see dozens of references to Palin but not Obama. I went to the Center for Bio Diversity and this excerpt is from one of the few recent articles about wolves:

    “Just before the Bush administration left office, it announced a rule to strip protections from gray wolves in the Rockies and the Midwest — but though the rule was halted when President Barack Obama took office, in March 2009 the Service moved forward with delisting the wolves anyway. The Center and allies filed suit in June, and a judge has agreed that the wolves’ delisting was likely unlawful. Unfortunately, the judge hasn’t halted wolf hunts in Idaho and Montana, which the Center and allies challenged to prevent the slaughter of hundreds of wolves.”

    I am very concerned and would like more information on why you think Obama authorized it.
    Can you be more specific?

  21. richl Says:

    It is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing the question really was a question. Put in the presidents shoes, how would you get the backing you need from both parties and both houses? I’m not asking for exactitude here, broad strokes will do.

    Haydens article was interesting but he lost about 90% of his credence with the phrase “military coup…” . It is hardly a coup when the congress, backed by the supreme court, has the military remove a president for illegal activities and replace him with Micheletti who was (if I’m not mistaken) constitutionally the next in line.

    As for the mid east, talks have been and are being held but they are not “official” Once the basic ground work has been done then the peacocks on both side can strut and announce the start of the “Peace Talks” which they have so graciously agreed to. I agree with his estimates of casualties and deaths with the build up. I am and always have been against the wars in the mid east my cure however is to do an immediate strategic retreat to protect as many UN troops as possible and let the mid east take care of the mid east because frankly I don’t give a damn if they blow each other up or not. That area of the world has been under nearly constant warfare for over 3000 years. Simply put we ain’t going to change anything no matter what we do or how quickly or slowly we pull out.

    just gotta ask.

    Would you not object to helicopter hunting if they had guaranteed kills by using gatling guns ?

  22. Larkrise Says:

    Alwayshope, Go to The Action Alert sent to me is titled : “Species Are Still Dying-Where’s the Change.Obama?”
    I am very angry and disgusted about the wolves being slaughtered. However, I did not mean to state that Obama directly authorized this. His policies have allowed it to happen. Ken Salazar refused to grant wolves protected status. The Action Alert does directly blame Obama. I fail to find the slaughter of a wolf pack and their pups as funny. The idiots in Idaho don’t know their keesters from a hole in the ground about ecology or even decency. I am sick of politicians thinking that species preservation is not important. Maybe we are the species that needs to become extinct. We certainly cant get along with one another; and go crashing around the world killing people in small countries.

    As for Obama getting backing from the Republicans in the House and Senate, as long as he appeals to the blood lust and Big Stick ideology of the Repugs, they will give him the money he needs to stomp on any Third World country with Muslims that he wants to stomp. But, they will attempt to block him on virtually everything else. Horse trading has not helped. They are rigid and fanatic. They despise him and want to destroy him. They have shown that their strategy is to block, block, block. As for Blue Dog Dems, Evan Bayh can be threatened. The rest would have to lose the support of the DNC for their re-elections. I dont see that happening. They will do only what is in their best interests. That means they value only those actions that will get them big campaign donations from corporate interests. Bipartisanship in the current climate of polarization is a pipe dream. Until we get real and genuine campaign finance reform, the citizens of this country are not a major concern to politicians, unless they have big bucks to donate. How is Obama going to get backing from both the House and Senate? He isnt, unless he can get the citizenry more fired up and threatening to throw the crooks out. His website isnt cutting it, and he is losing his base. That is a BIG mistake.

  23. concerned Says:

    Richl – I would’ve (and unfortunately for me – did) expect him to be “in charge” – you know, sorta presidential (pardon the cliche). I wanted him to talk about healthcare – often – to get US fired up so we could assist in firing up our would be congress. I expected him to keep his word about the easier points first, working his way up to the harder to get support for – more difficult items as indicated by events and energy. I expected him to keep the momentum going, and instead he hasn’t had a press conference in like 4 months. I expected him to try to help US help him. I didn’t understand that he could give a shit. I certainly do now. And 8 million pings to just Sprint alone, in a 13 month period no less, to track amerikan citizens, is only the tip of my iceberg. What a waste of a perfectly delightful election.

  24. Larkrise Says:

    concerned: Yup.

  25. richl Says:


    Good points. He ran a good election with the type of input and feedback that many of us wanted. Perhaps he should put his campaign team or a reasonable facsimile thereof back together to interface with the public.

  26. concerned Says:

    Sorry Richl, he’s too busy making nice w/Wall Street and having his “justice” department strengthen W’s unconstitutional shenanigans to ever be able to put Humpty back together again. When he decides to support the Rule of Law instead of futher decimating it, maybe then we can talk about redoing his campaign interface… (IMHO only don’t ya know).

  27. Larkrise Says:

    Why is the Obama Adm. trying to help John Yoo?!! What in the name of God is the matter with this damned administration!!!John Yoo is an apologist for torture. Why is the Obama Adm. continuing many of the destructive environmental policies of the Bush Adm.? Why is the Obama Adm. keeping far too many of Bush’s old flunkies, like Gates and Summers and , and, and…. Change??? Where the hell is it?!@ Obama does NOT deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. The only prize he deserves is destroying his political base in record time. What is with this guy anyway……All I can say is he is only slightly better than Bush or McCain. Maybe. I am not sure about it. His betryals to the people who voted for him are beginning to stink like Joe Lieberman.

  28. alwayshope Says:

    Larkrise- hang on to your hat!
    Can you believe this freaking wind! You can barely stand up outside today and cold………………..very icy. I think Steve got a dose of this storm too unless he’s not in Kansas anymore, Steve, click your heels together and say, “there’s no place like home”. We miss you.
    I’d rather talk about the rotten weather, I guess, than about the rotten Democrats and their rotten leaders and the stupidly vicious Republicans and their idiotic loud-mouthed leaders. I’m sick of the whole bunch. Actually, I’ve been sick of Congress for so long I don’t remember when I had a good thought about those greedy miscreants. By the time they get some watered-down, mish-mashed, incoherent bill together on healthcare reform, it will be nothing but a boon to the insurance companies and, of course, members of Congress. The climate summit in Copenhagen is going to be a defining moment for us and Obama can’t commit to anything without the approval of…congress… but they are having too much fun with ClimateGate…sigh. The wars make us miserable and defense contractors and the republicans very happy. All my anger comes back to congress. Over the years they have become too corrupt to carry out the people’s business. A handfull of senators can prevent progress on any front. Just a few of these corporate sell-outs can endanger our future. I don’t see how to get anything done in the Senate, they just don’t get it. I have a hard time understanding why anyone at all is opposed to having healthcare for all of us so we can have the peace of mind that would bring. I don’t understand why anyone at all is opposed to taking action that would free us of imported oil, clean our air and water and preserve our forests. How do you reasonalbly opppose these things? The protection of corporate profits can be the only motivation! Why can’t people see that? Congress sucks, more than sucks, congress does whatever sucking thinks sucks. Congress is like the Berlin wall, it serves only to divide a people who can’t survive and thrive in a state of constant divide. We need to tear down that wall!! We’ve got to remove it brickhead by brickhead. Let’s start with Lieberman. It is so damn frustrating because there are so many idiots out there willing to carry signs and blather talking points in support of policies that actually work against them. Why are we letting the morons decide for us?
    I’m not finding an upside tonight. I think the cold wind is contageous.
    Have a good week, everybody! (she said, mustering up the only bit of warmth left to her on this cold, gray, blustering day.)

  29. alwayshope Says:

    Have you written to Obama? You really should give him a piece of your mind. I sent him an email a few days ago and let him have it about Gates and Summers and Geithner and Bernanke and Siddiqui and McChrystal and Emanual and torture and wolves and war and peace. maybe if he gets enough of them………I don’t know. I can barely watch the news without getting furious. I just wanted him to know that he can’t have it both ways, that he must show some passion and determination, that “change we can believe in” must not be a lie.

  30. concerned Says:

    Hope, do you really think he’s reading our emails to him, or just our emails to each other??? He was paid for by Goldman Sachs

    and allowed the US Army to invade Samson, Alabama back in March.

  31. Larkrise Says:

    Dear alwayshope, I agree with everything you have said. I have frequently remarked they might as well set up kiosks in the halls of Congress with signs that read: “Votes For Sale. Will Go To the Highest Bidder.” There may be a few honest, decent men left in Congress, but they would fit on the head of a pin. Evan Bayh and Dick…d Lugar are NOT two of them. Burton, Pence and Buyer are very bad jokes. The only people worse than these crooks are the fools who keep voting for them. I had high hopes for Obama. Those are gone with the wind. He will sell us out in Copenhagen. The insurance companies are drooling over their success, and human rights have no true friend in Barack. The AG wrote an amicus brief for John Yoo!!! WTF!!!I am so disillusioned with all aspects of our government. It represents nothing but the rich and well-connected. I have come to the conclusion that Obama is an elitist like Reagan. He wants to schmooze with those he considers “Players.” The average citizen is supposed to be happy with his speeches. Phooey! Like you, I have had it with false promises, fancy rhetoric, and phoney slogans.
    Take care. Keep warm .
    Dear concerned, I have sent emails to Obama and never get so much as a stock reply. If there is one thing of which I am certain, not even an intern is reading them. His poll numbers are dropping like a rock over the edge of the Grand Canyon. One would think he just might start paying attention. Nah….these guys surround themselves with flunkies, a..kissers, and people who spin information so it fits their preconcieved notions. If the FBI wants to read my emails, fine. They can waste their time if it floats their boat.

  32. Larkrise Says:

    Dear Steve, I hope it is just that you are very busy and not ill. Please, if you have a few minutes, start a new topic, so we dont have to scroll down so far. Thanks. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

  33. alwayshope Says:

    Concerned and Larkrise
    I don’t think Obama is reading any of my emails but I do think his staff reads them because I have gotten a reply when I requested one.
    I understand and share your as well larkrise’s concerns about Obama but the fact remains….he has an almost impossible job. The problems have been building in the absence of a responsible media and an apathetic and ill-informed public. He needs our help.

    Did you see Bill Moyers Journal last night? You can read the transcript at

    Only WE the citizens can bring change and we can’t do it at our keyboards alone, we have get out there and raise a ruckus. Larkrise we need to organize some people and picket one of the big banks downtown and let them know what we think about their bonuses. On the “journal”, George Goehl says, “toxify that money”.
    We need to get petitions signed and hand them to Lugar and Bayh. We need to be screaming and carrying signs and making calls and writing op-eds and practicing civil disobedience when necessary. Goehl has a website
    I’m going to join there and try to figure out what I can do from my little place in the middle of nowhere and if I need to get my butt to Indy or Chicago I will.
    Also on the show, Howard Zinn has a 90 minute special Sunday night on the history channel, “The people speak” that looks back at the history of populist movements and progressive leaders like Sojourner Truth and Susan B Anthony and Cesar Chavez.
    Anyway, I’m unhappy with Obama’s lack of passion, I’m furious with Congress and the media but it just means we have to work harder to get the truth out. We have to try, the future…maybe everything depends on it.

  34. alwayshope Says:

    excerpt from Bill Moyers Journal

    BILL MOYERS: One of my favorite sequences in here, is when we meet Genora Dollinger. Tell me about her.

    HOWARD ZINN: She was a woman who got involved in sit-down strikes of the 1930s. Those very dramatic moments when workers occupied the factories of General Motors and wouldn’t leave, and therefore left the corporations helpless. But this was a time when strikes all over the country galvanized people and pushed the New Deal into the reforms that we finally got from the New Deal. And Genora Dollinger represents the women who are very often overlooked in these struggles, women so instrumental in supporting the workers, their men, their sweethearts. And Genora Dollinger just inspires people with her words.

    BILL MOYERS: She was only 23 when she organized.

    HOWARD ZINN: Amazing. Yes.

    [MARISSA TOMEI as GENORA DOLLINGER]: Workers overturned police cars to make barricades. They ran to pick up the fire bombs thrown at them and hurl them back at the police. The men wanted to me to get out of the way. You know the old “protect the women and children” business. I told them, “Get away from me.” The lights went on in my head. I thought I have never used a loud speaker to address a large crowd of people but I’ve got to tell them there are women down here. I called to them, “Cowards! Cowards! Shooting into the bellies of unarmed men and firing at the mothers of children.” And then everything became quiet. I thought, “The women can break this up.” So I appealed to the women in the crowd, “Break through those police lines and come down here and stand beside your husbands and your brothers and your uncles and your sweethearts.” I could barely see one woman struggling to come forward. A cop had grabbed her by the back of her coat. She just pulled out of that coat and she started walking down to the battle zone. As soon as that happened there were other women and men who followed. That was the end of the battle. When those spectators came into the center of the battle and the police retreated, there was a big roar of victory.

    BILL MOYERS: That’s Marisa Tomei as Genora Dollinger. What do you think when you hear those words?

    HOWARD ZINN: First, I must say this, Bill. When my daughter saw this she heard Marisa Tomei shout to the police, “Cowards, cowards.” My daughter said a chill, a chill went through her. She was so moved. And so, when I see this, and I’ve seen this so many times, and each time I am moved because what it tells me is that just ordinary people, you know, people who are not famous, if they get together, if they persist, if they defy the authorities, they can defeat the largest corporation in the world.

  35. alwayshope Says:

    Another good one

    BILL MOYERS: You mentioned the women’s movement, and there’s another remarkable moment in your film of Susan B. Anthony, when she’s on trial for trying to vote when she and other women didn’t have the right.

    [JOSH BROLIN as JUDGE HUNT]: The sentence of the Court is that you pay a fine of one hundred dollars and the costs of the prosecution.

    [CHRISTINA KIRK as SUSAN B. ANTHONY]: May it please your honor, I will never pay a dollar of your unjust penalty. All the stock in trade I possess is a debt of $10,000, incurred by publishing my paper “The Revolution” the sole object of which was to educate all women to do precisely as I have done, rebel against your man-made, unjust, unconstitutional forms of law, which tax, fine, imprison and hang women, while denying them the right of representation in the government; and I will work on with might and main to pay every dollar of that honest debt, but not a penny shall go to this unjust claim. And I shall earnestly and persistently continue to urge all women to the practical recognition of the old revolutionary maxim, “Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.”

  36. alwayshope Says:

    Just one more

    [SOJOURNER TRUTH]: “That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain’t I a woman? Look at me! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain’t I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as any man — when I could get it — and I could bear the lash as well! And ain’t I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most sold off into slavery, and when I cried out with my mother’s grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain’t I a woman? That man in the back there, he says women can’t have as much rights as men, ’cause Christ wasn’t a woman! Well, where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? He came from God and a woman! Man didn’t have nothing to do with it. If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, well these women here together ought to be able to turn it back, and get it right side up again! And they asking to do it, the men better let them.”

  37. alwayshope Says:

    We need to channel some of the…. not just outrage, but defiance of these brave souls.

  38. PK Says:

    Oklahoma is far enough west and far enough to the right that this short song should apply:

    Oh give me a home
    Where the nutcases roam
    And the Nazis and Aryans play.
    Where never is heard
    A liberal word
    And Limbaugh’s on the airwaves all day.

    Home, home on the range
    Where the Nazis and Aryans play

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